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68In the very short time I’ve been with HubPages, I’ve mellowed out while reading, commenting, and Hopping Hubs. I consider myself firm and fair because of my time in law enforcement, but this last Hub I had written earlier this week has given me insights on why my views of reading and reviewing Hubs have changed and will continue to improve for the better.
I have also stuck by what I have felt all along. I do not appreciate anyone who thinks they are “helping” me by correcting my Hubs or telling me how I should write them. When I first started writing for HubPages, I was appalled to see so many Hubbers willing to welcome emails from total strangers who were willing to correct a Hub’s spelling, grammar and punctuation.
I still find that an insult, but I got a few dings from Hubbers who have written less than three Hubs. Not that much writing experience, if you ask me. I never appreciated know-it-alls trying to tell me what to do. But since these Hubbers were fairly new, I give them that much for trying to be helpful. Then I ignore them and move on. With so little time on HubPages, I can't say I take these people or whatever they say seriously.
What I publish is my responsibility, and that includes any errors that I have made and feel I am responsible for. I am not an editor. I am a writer. But I struggle with the editing and prefer to do it on my own without anyone’s help.
If, you are one of those poor unfortunates who took the time to tell me that I should write to your specifications, I am not not going to please you. In fact, surprise, surprise. I will tell you that I don’t appreciate your input. I prefer people to butt out of my writing process because they certainly don’t belong in my world of writing. If I need help, I will ask for it.
I had this happen to me recently. Yes, I can respect a Hubber who is established and has communicated with me in the past. I will absolutely accept their point of view. But if the Hubber has barely got a profile, no profile shot or barely an acceptable profile to their name, then you will be hearing from me.
These inexperienced critics are waste my time. Whether they want to believe it or not, their tries at being critics are failed attempts, and I simply blow them off and move on. I may sound rude when I reply to their petty remarks, but I am one who has dealt with many critics in the past. There is no doubt I have critics in my present and more in my future. Believe me. I can take it. You will not see me go to a corner and pout. Nor will I have my tail between my legs and hide.
I am not a people pleaser. I have enough experience in writing to be confident to state my views and stand behind them, and this is why:
I am using my legal name. Therefore, I’m automatically telling you I mean business.
What makes it difficult about pen names is that if your pen name is too cutesy, how can I take you serious, anyway? Am I really talking to a real person or an alter ego? A cutesy pen name loses credibility in terms of communication.
I rely on a Hubber’s profile and photograph. If they’re not there, I won’t read the Hub and I will move on.
I have written a Hub on the importance of writing a Hub profile. I will read every Hub profile with every Hub I read. I expect that profile to tell me about the person writing the Hub. If a writer can’t do something as simple as putting his profile out there, then I feel that he is not totally interested in publishing his work for an audience and taking Hubpages seriously.
Since joining HubPages as a writer since June 2011, I have seen so many people come and go because they didn’t have staying power. When they couldn’t make money right away, they quit. There are quite a few established writers on HubPages. Those are the people who inspire me.
I now respect each Hubber’s writing journey and don’t expect everyone to write the same.
Now, I have learned to drop all expectations and just enjoy the writing.
I know each writer has their own style of writing. I have come to respect that, so I am very careful when I leave my comments. All I ask for now is something that I would value to read for later. Most of the Hubs I have read and appreciated have made it to my bookmark file. Not only do I read Hubs, Hub Hop and comment on any Hub that I find delightful, I do want to read good copy and layout at a later time. I am looking forward to the rainy weather and being able to catch up with these bookmarks.
I am generous with praise.
I do like the majority of Hubs that I read, so I do vote them up and hit the other positive rating keys in reach.
I become a follower and remain supportive.
A lot of times, I will not catch a writer’s work. But I will follow anyone who has a string of interesting Hubs. I will follow a promising new Hubber. I encourage people to keep writing—no matter what. I do know a lot of writers drop out. I want to be part of the force to encourage new writers to stay.
I will always to be kind with my comments.
Other than shutting down the know-at-all who tells me I should write their way, my focus is on the comments I leave to Hub writers.
I will not step over boundaries and tell a writer how to write. A major thing I find so wrong about this is that I am not a Hubber’s English professor, editor, critic or boss. I have no power over this person, and it is not my business. I am not in the business and paid for any of these roles.
HubPages is much too generous when it gives Hubbers the chance to either approve or accept a comment. As a rule, I don't chose to use the Deny key. I do believe that everyone should be allowed to express their opinion, and so do I. I will not put up with any criticism towards my writing. I'm talking about the ones who are telling me how to write. This is not what I feel HubPages is set up for. I will simply read these negative views, answer to them, and move on.
Inexperienced writers and readers don't seem to realize that their comments will not automatically get the writer to change the Hub. In fact, their negativity is ignored when it comes to dealing with me. I'm listening to what they are saying, but then again, I'm not. I stand behind my writing because I write to please me. At the same time, if your negative remarks appear on my comments section, keep in mind they will stay there for others to read. I have no control over your rudeness.
I will only leave encouragement and comments for the Hubbers who put their work out there. I will be very careful about this. I have read profiles, and many writers have expressed fear of being judged or admitting they cannot take criticism well.
Criticism is good or bad
Until a writer can develop thick skin and bounce back from critics, I won’t test the waters. That's not my job. Some writers will not develop that thick skin at all. I have been writing for most of my life. I have pride in my writing, and so should you. If you leave something negative for a Hubber, keep in mind that there is a possibility that you could destroy that person’s confidence or self-esteem. Without even knowing it, your remarks could make the writer quit writing altogether. Now that would be a tragedy. Just because you don’t personally know this person doesn’t mean you have the right to be cruel.
Don’t worry about me.
If I have a problem with your comments, I won’t hesitate to let you know. I do bounce back from the worst of times, and someone’s comments have no effect on me as a writer. There is nothing anyone can do to make me change the way I write. Believe me. It will not ruin my day. As an experienced writer, I can usually read a post and figure out if that person is inexperienced as a writer. I won’t have to read your profile because I know.
Don’t ever think your criticism will hurt me because I won’t take your unacceptable behavior as a personal assault. But I will call you on it if you feel I should be writing for you because you say so. Writers with years of experience know how to do this, but I do have respect for those who are just beginning to find their voice as writers.
I only wish these Hubbers well and support them in their search to be better writers.
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Okay, ThoughSandwiches, give it up. Which side of you is the one who hangs out at the Silver Legacy Buffet? Snorty, snort, snort. I do have my evil twin, Ahlene, but I do keep her under wraps because I really don't like her attitude. Perhaps, on Halloween night, I will set her free? Do you remember the "Halloween" movie where Michael dipped that nurse's head in the overheated Jacuzzi until she turned to a skeletal stick??? Damn! Those videos on Linda Blair ("The Exorcist") and Linda Hamilton ("Children of the Corn") that Wesman sent me is getting to Ahlene. She is getting ideas. OooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOooooo. Love hearing from you, as always. Thanks for the vote up and everything else. I think I have cleaned out my Inbox so I can now devote my time to the people I follow. I just won't let Ahlene do the comments. #@^%*()+!!! That's what she'd be writing, but what she writes won't be too pretty.
Hey Thoughtsandwiches, I did lock horns with a couple of newbies this week. I certainly wasn't writing about you when I wrote this. Your writing is very different style and stands out. I think I told you that and to keep writing. Maybe I should take a break and see what Ahlene can put out. Nahhhh!!! She may never come back. I would be doomed!
I had to change my hub comment setting from unmoderated to moderated. All my hub comments were unmoderated until I published my hub on Ellery Queen-until then comments would show up right away and I would wake up in the morning to comments which everyone else had already read before me. Since I never intended to deny a comment that disagreed with me, I didn't see the need to moderate anything.
Then I got a new follower who thought that it was halarious that I used the picture of a pen for my photograph on the hub. Originally, I thought it was a legitimate question and told the hubber that since Ellery Queen was a pen name, I would use a pen as a photo.
Soon I got several comments in the space of an hour such as
"But it is only a pen!"
"Boooooooooring pen"
"let's talk about pencils!"
You get the idea. now everything is moderated. I tried to get the hubber banned for harassing me, but no luck.
Hi Arlene. You've had a busy day. I couldn't help watching from the sidelines.
It is true, you always leave kind and generous comments on my articles, as well as those of others. Your sense of humor and honesty are real, and those qualities always come through in whatever you write. Just by the length of most of your comments alone, it is obvious you love to write and are passionate about your profession!
I knew it, I knew that this kind of hub was following after the comment rage on the last. Way to go speak up and speak out sister.
Personally I choose to hide my face and name for now, mainly because god gifted me with an extremely wild imagination and I fear some psycho corn stalker will knock on my door in the middle of the night. It happens you know, I seen it on tv.
But big kudos for stating your stance. I got your back, I know my way around knives.
Hey, Flora, thanks for the comments. Now I know what these boxes mean. I have not hit that DENY button yet, and I admire others who don't use them, either. Let the person have their say, and their name is there for future reference and warns others that he or she has a tendency to stick their foot in their mouth or are really very Cuckoo for Cocoa Puff or Fruit Loops. Can't really hunt them down and make them stop unless they threaten your life, I guess.
Well said, Arlene.
I think the only time I hit the deny button was when someone was trying to use my hubs to draw attention to their own - quite obviously so...not good in my view. We all have things that get our backs up I s'pose.
That said... I was an English Teacher in my day now a one-to-one tutor, I know I have some typo's in my hubs and I will get round to correcting them one day when I have finished reviewing, correcting (punctuation and grammar), editing, the work of writers who contact me for help. I don't do the chasing, I certainly wouldn't dream of sending an email trying to correct someone's hubs - bit too personal, that!
Voted up, useful, awesome and interesting.
Helena
k, this was my first try at writing about something currently in the news. I couldn't ignore it at the time it aired. I didn't know if it was a hoax or not because the media usually has information on the people. I could only find the Garrett name. No first names and ages. I thought you knew I was a former correctional officer, so now you know how I got the cuffs for my credit card photograph. Hahahahaha. Anyway, I figured out that I have about 20+ years writing experience, and what I didn't expect were getting comments on how to write my piece. Now, you know I certainly don't like to be told what to do in the first place. One comment I blew off right away. The other two were new Hubbers, so I decided to "bend" their branches and set them straight. I know you read those (wink,wink). I will not put up with anyone telling me how to write or trying to correct my work, and I will tell them so. And, there are chances I will not be polite. Or, I will throw in the broken record technique and repeat myself. Who knows who I'm dealing with? And there was a chance that person would not be reading my response, anyway. I could be dealing with a kid or an anyone who just wants to stir it up at my expense. I do miss the confrontation. You know when you've made your point when you face the person, but not on the Internet. People hide and play games. But in person, you don't miss most things like how they behave, dress and their body language. In the newspaper business, you print a retraction to correct your facts. It ruins your credibility. As far as I was concerned, I had very little to go on with this story, yet I had people reading more into the story. Which told me they were very green to writing. And newspapers. My sources came from the media, but a lot of people don't know that the media always reports to dazzle, then the story disappears after it has run its course. The only facts I had to go by was this family's name. Garrett. The media usually gives first names and ages, so this all could have been a hoax. But I went with it, anyway. I have to admit I had a good time with it. I've written my views before. I don't appreciate anyone telling me how to write my piece. And I don't tell anyone to write theirs. I couldn't believe some people took this corn maze thing so seriously and defended these people. Like, "You shouldn't call them stupid." Well, what the hell else could they be? They wasted precious time and money for these emergency crews. I mean, they are now legends until someone else does something to top them. Personally, I have never heard of anyone getting lost in a corn maze! At least, not in these parts. We have plenty of those. So I learned a little more from this Hub. I have found that the Internet is fine for research, but it is lousy when it comes to face-to-face communication and observing behavior. This is what I miss the most. What I don't put up with are those who are perfectionists and just have to be right. But since I don't hit the DENY key, people can read for themselves what this Hubber is like. Yes, there are Hubbers I won't follow. I may not remember where I put my wallet and keys, but I do remember the ones who are rude or put out a string of terrible work. This is the only way I deal with them. The ones who leave comments have their names left on the page and are an advertisement on how stupid they behave. This is where I disagree with HubPages. In the real world of writing, there are no DENY key, so you are forced to deal with your critics. You learn from them and move on.
jenubouka: Yeah, I understand your point. You never know who will show up at your door. But I have to admit you would know your way around knives. I would feel sorry if anyone showed up at my house uninvited. Someone did that in the middle of the night years ago and wanted me to open the door. He ended up telling the cops I was crazy. Hahahahaha. It was really the cop's wife across the street. She was the one who had the shotgun pointed at the peephole. No, I do understand people who want to use pen names, but when it comes to telling them that you don't like what they're saying or doing, I really feel like I'm not dealing with a real person. Like yesterday. The person called himself (him, I assume) Crosseyed. At least, I think that was his name. I didn't like he/she telling me how to write, but at the same time, I had to laugh because I could not address this person by Joe, Sue, Cousin It or whatever. Well, I see Crosseyed as a negative term and description, anyway. You wouldn't want to be crosseyed in real life. I worked with someone who had Lazy Eye. And she was one, big kiss ass. So Lazy Eye or Crosseyed? Same difference. I could not take this Crosseyed seriously. I couldn't. I had to laugh over that one.
Helena, thank you so much for your comments, insights and the vote up! You know, I was two years short of getting my teaching credential, but I am way to restless for that type of work. Or any work if you ask me. Retirement does suit me. Yes, I am editing my Hubs long after they are published. There is always something to find. I refuse to pop in and tell someone how to edit their work or how to write. It is truly none of my business. Everyone has a writing style of their own, and I will not block them. A writer has the right to her point of view.
Okay, I'll fess up. JamaGenee IS the REAL me because I do genealogy (aka "chasing dead people") in my jammies. Was supposed to be JamaGenIE but I lost my password when I first joined HP and the HP team didn't reply to "what's my password" so I started over as JamaGenEE. Whew!
But if you prefer, I also answer to Joanna. There's another JamaGenie, btw, on StumbleUpon, a blonde 20-something from Canada. Found her one night when I was Googling myself - don't knock it if ya haven't tried it. Turns out JG was her nickname since she was knee high to a grasshopper and the only reason it wasn't rejected as her SU screen name is because I had a brain fart and varied the spelling when I signed up. (Hey, I was new to the social networking thing and was told NOT to use the same screen name everywhere.)
As for that DENY button, in almost 3 1/2 years at HP, I've only used it twice. Once for a "comment" that was nothing but a link to the guy's commercial website and once for a "comment" that contained more swear words than even my career-Navy daughter knows.
*Almost* used the button recently for a comment from a troll, but instead I took three deep breaths, counted to 10, and let my Brit ancestry come out with a reply that to a non-Brit would appear *extremely* civil, but was actually a direct shot to the jugular. ;D
I was wondering about those handcuffs. And then I think it was on your hub with the spinning wheel I started a comment something about handcuffs and spinning wheels and what's going on at your house - but I changed my mind and erased it. So, thanks for clearing the origin of the handcuffs for me.
On one of my first hubs (aspartame and depression) a woman left a comment basically disagreeing with me based on her experiences and I approved it, because to open a discussion was sort of my goal. I don't mind an a good debate at all and would never deny a comment just because someone did not agree with me. I provided her with my sources that she requested. But the links didn't open for her because they had periods on the end and so they were broken. She then basically said I must not have read my sources lately and it was starting to seem like a bit of an attack on my credibility. But, I of course approved her comment - really no reason not to. She did thank me though for not denying her comment. It actually all seemed liked a rather odd exchange to me at the time, especially since this was the first time I really dealt with people's online comments.
I don't deny comments, and only have for a couple of comments that were basically spam and one other where a guy said something about how to see other people's google id numbers. He even said I might not want to approve his comment. I chose not to, because his fears were simply unfounded and I had a lot of people reading that particular hub. His comment would have been the equivalent of screaming "fire" in a theatre when no fire existed.
Hey, k, this online writing is something I will either get used to or never get used to. My experience with writing used to deal with copywriters and editors. If I got any letters or phone calls about my writing, the person contacting me would use their first and last name. I got to thinking that none of my Hubs other than this corn maze blunder really dealt with a current news story. It was a learning experience for me. At the same time, you deal with a lot of inexperienced writers on HubPages, and to hell if I'm going to teach each of them to handle the media! Hahahahaha. But people who do try to correct or tell you to change their writing to suit them are out of line to me. For one thing, I don't know who they are! I wouldn't never ask anyone to change what they had written or change their POV. It ain't happening with me. I do have a lot of "equipment" at my home, but most people don't know about me or my former work. All but two of my neighbors think I'm that crazy housewife who wanders around in her bathrobe. Otherwise, it's peaceful and pretty dull at my home. But pity the pour soul who comes here uninvited.
JamaGenee: You are too polite if you will only refer to a person as a troll. As a former prison guard, I could have a garbage mouth at times, but I think I've gotten better and seldom use profanity. Working with men, I noticed how vulgar they can be when they talk. Believe me. It doesn't help to be around them or the inmates because you do end up talking like them. I did have this one guy who left his website address for discount athletic shoes. Got rid of him. Other than that, the jerks or jerkettes can leave their names or pen names with their comments for others to see. I think I'm the only one here who writes lengthy comments.
Wonderful! Another bathrobe wanderer! Why go to all the trouble to dress "properly" if ya don't have to. It's YOUR castle. I'm with you, too, on the uninvited. Far as I'm concerned they're in the same group as telemarketers - not worth my time or even a modicum of courtesy. ;D
Hahahahahahahahaha. I am falling out now because all I wear is my jammies, my bathrobe and fuzzy slippers. I don't want to spend on clothes because no one sees me most of the time. Why bother getting dressed? I go out, do some gardening, get the mail, put out the garbage, etc. I find my Victoria's Secret cotton terry gray bathrobe quit the fashion statement. To me, if you wake up and stay in your sleepwear all day, then it's been a very good day. I am Hugh Hefner without the pipe and the Bunnies. I do admit his robes were a bit gawdy, but he very seldom wears anything else. Why bother making the bed when you're going to end up in it, anyway? I haven't made the bed in 45 years? Why start now??????
I have written online here and there for over 4 years and yes I agree with you. I have had corrections from American writers when what I have said is valid in my country the UK. Take for instance the menopause :) In the UK women do have hot flushes and not flashes. I appreciate well wnet messages about typos etc and yes i do make mistakes. Writing is a great learning curve
ethel, you have quite an impressive profile, and as an American writer, I would find it very rude for anyone to correct you. I simply would not do it. To be petty as an American and tell you that you are NOT suffering from hot flushes--that you should be suffering from hot flashes??? Oh, no no. I've had my share of the American hot flashes and are done with them. Menopause is universal, and it is a miserable time for any woman. I refuse to correct any version of it! I can't believe those writers would have the nerve to do that. Anyway, you have to allow for the creative people to express themselves, so I do. HubPages does have writers from all around the world. I would not want to leave an impression of being the American perfectionist and know-it-all, but those are usually people who are insecure and are strangers to the world of writing. They don't last on HubPages very long.
If one has a functioning brain and spends any amount of time reading the work of those from countries other than America, that mind would have to be closed to NOT absorb the differences in cultures and the words used to communicate them in these pages. I was "knocked up" *several times* when I was in England and none involved sexual intercourse or pregnancy. ;D
How fun! So tell me. I consulted the Internet, so you know the Internet doesn't lie. (Yeah, right!) The English Knocked Up=Wake Up? I'll take that! American "knocked up" would be a sheer bummer unless you really wanted to be.
Hey, Arlene, you want to tell how you really feel? LOL
I wish I had used my real name when I started, but I do have people in my life who I do not want to find me if at all possible. Then by the time I figured out what I was doing and wanted to change my profile name, I couldn't, so I added the notation in my profile who I was. I still really don't want to be located by certain family members, but they have no idea that homesteadbound is me, nor was I inclined to writing when they knew me, especially since I only stated writing 2 months ago. I hope that sometime it will be possible to change my name to my real name. But to do that now would be like starting over, and I have worked hard for what I have. I am glad that I am following you and you are following me. Between all this following we might even eventually catch up with each other.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Very interesting, homesteadbound. Hmmmmmmmmmmm. Hey, you know, whatever works for you. What I was trying to say was that when I have to deal with a Bozo, that's what I have to address him by: Bozo because he has names himself Bozo. Okay, this is how it goes. There was a lot of privacy to my name when I worked, but I have figured out that I can't hide from people. In fact, for $14.99 on the Internet, I've been found by people I haven't seen in 30+ years. Yeah, I know. Woowoowooooo. Then the Facebook thing. Lots of people think it's so cool to find their past people on Facebook. I don't. Or that Classmates website that hooks you up with people from your former high school. Yeeeccccchh. That usually happens around class reunion time, and I never go. Yes, I've been found without wanting to be found. Some people are okay with being found and get along fabulously with the people who were looking for them. I don't. I've had some disasters without really wanting to be looked up. I do understand what you're saying. I do value my privacy, too. I'm not one to have truckloads of buddies like some folks. It would be very expensive to keep them in food and drink if they hung out with me at my home. I think as long as I have my writing, I can hang out all by my lonesome and only go out for groceries and medical appointments. Not too long ago, someone on HubPages was asking if we all could use first and last names to make this site more "credible". I said at the time, "Are you nuts?" I did mention that you have people who have established their writing and wouldn't want to switch. I still want to use WhoopWhoopWhoop as my pen name, but I am happy with my real name. People have pen names for many reasons. But when I want to talk to a Hubber I don't know (I mean, seriously), I can't get into talking with someone who has a goofy pen name. I can't do it. It's like using a cartoon character or some well-known actor or actress for a profile photograph. Who is this person trying to be? This is where it gets frustration. Wanting to talk about a serious subject, only to be talking to someone whose pen name is Bozo. No, that is not right, but this is what the writer wants. Can't argue with that, I suppose. Don't care for cutesy when a regular first name would be all right. But like I said--don't always get what I want.
I'm with ya - next week in the newsletter you will learn a little more about my situation anyway. But we adopted 3 emotionally disturbed children who are ... well ... how do I say this nicely ... scary at best. We have moved once and through circumstances beyond our control, one of them found us. They will not with the next move. At that time my youngest son tried to kill my husband. So that is what I mean. It's really more of a safety issue. When he was 14 the pychologist told us he was probably a psychopath. His two older siblings are not much better. I know my situation is extreme and not normal. Also my mother who lost custody of me when I was 7 can get very weird, so I would rather not be found by her also. I think I'm the only normal person (twitch, twitch, twitch) in my whole family. My sisters are strange also, but considering what we went through, I can't say that I blame them. I have been lucky in that respect.
Twitch, twitch, twitch??? Hilarious! I know what you mean. I had an inmate stalk me once, and he was behind bars. Can you believe it? He was writing the county and trying to find me that way. Through my tax records. Luckily, they informed me about him. Yes, they can do that. I also have people in the woodwork. They don't get in touch with me or show up at my house, but when they are down on their luck and want to buy one of those cars from a cheapie car lot, they use my name as reference. Haven't gotten any calls in about three years, so I guess they've figured I won't do anything for them. Some people really need to go away, but they stick around like bad pennies. That is so unfortunate. I used to have relatives that were so bad that they would drink the cooking sherry in the middle of the night when they stayed with us. I mean, I was going to cook with it, you know? I thought, "Can't they tell???"
Yes, they can, but they don't care. My sisters and my father are alcoholics. I can never understand the people that drink nyquil for a buzz. That stuff is NASTY!
Ewwwwwww. But it was such a bummer back then because I was cooking dinner and needed the cooking sherry. I don't know about these people. I am just grateful I didn't have their problem.
Amen to that!
What is that orange thing you are holding?
Baby pumpkin. They come in that size. White on the bottom. I went to a pumpkin patch today and checked out the corn maze. I could not resist, but after what happened to the couple who got lost, I wasn't going to "explore". I saw enough to realize there is a worn out trail you follow. Then, to confuse you, they keep splitting the trail. If the trail is narrow and not worn, it's a trail put there to get you lost. I walked in to take enough photos, then walked out. Noooooooooooo.
Stoppppppppppppppppppp ... you're making me twitch, twitch, twitch.
So Arlene - I was telling my daughter about the lost corn maze family last night, and today she told me that in her high school sociology class someone used that story as a current event article to present. I asked her what kids had to say about it and she said, "nothing because everyone wanted to watch the movie Mean Girls." And people wonder why other countries outrank us in so many things. Anyway, it all made me think of you - the corn maze story, I mean.
So glad you clarified that last comment, ktrapp. You might have gotten her wound up ... LOL
Jeez. I fall asleep watching "The Young and the Restless," and I miss this??? Twitch, twitch, twitch. I had a taco overdose. Maybe I should have been better off eating the baby pumpkin.
k, after my version of current events, I will now be known as the "Mean Girl" who was really mean to the lost corn maze family. Seeing that corn maze today, I could understand how one may get lost, but not for long. My husband overheard two men talking, and they got lost. They did not find their way through by using their map or the established trails. They kept walking in one direction and stomped any corn that got in their way. You could take any direction and keep going. Before long, you're out of there, anyway. Otherwise, it takes a maximum 2 hours to get out of there.
I would like to stay and play, but I'm going to have to take my toys and go home. It's almost 1 a.m. and I'm tired! See you tomorrow - make that later today! :)
I had a good time at the pumpkin patch today and covered a lot of ground. No corn maze for me. Too many "Children of the Corn" in real life. You could hear voices, but then it'd get quiet, and then it's silent. Ick.
one last question ... since this hub is aout how to leave comments, am I doing it right? Enquiring minds want to know ...
sure wish I could type. aout is somrtimes known as about.
and somrtimes is often sometimes
Hahahahahahaha. You know you've been doing it right all along. But I yackity yack yack on mine because I like to yack. I don't mind if the subject get hijacked. Makes things interesting. I feel it makes the post more interesting. Enough time in retirement to yack. I have extreme pity for anyone who happens to catch the butt end of the yacking. They ask, "What are these people yacking about?" Gee, I don't know. But I do like to yack, yack, yack. I'll yack with anybody.
Geez, I stay offline for 12 hours to clean out a few closets and re-arrange the living room and find so many comments here that I forgot which one I was going to respond to.
Oh, wait! I remember now! Getting knocked up in England. Yes, it's the Brit version of our wake-up call. Before telephone were commonly used, a maid or someone from the front desk would knock on the door of your hotel room towake you. A "knock [to wake you] up". The term stuck, but I think some desk male clerks simply get a charge out of the shocked reaction of an American woman traveling abroad for the first time after they ask "Would you like to be knocked up?"! They think the clerk is hitting on them. lol!
As for homesteadbound wanting to remain invisible to certain people, I can certainly relate to that. First, for a year during and after a messy divorce, the ex had a small army of friend girls who had nothing better to do than to stalk me 24/7 and report my every move. Years later I was working in politics in a town with three TV stations, all with roving camera crews, so I didn't dare pop out to the grocery store in grodies for fear of showing up on the 6 o'clock news. Some may like, even crave, the attention from living in a fish bowl, but I never did.
Arlene - I don't think I should be leaving comments late at night. My point was really only about current events and corn mazes, not mean girls. :)
Geez, I go out of town for a couple of days and apparently I've missed a lot. I'm with you on the deny key, Arlene. The only time I've used it is to get rid of duplicate comments (which has happened a couple of times and I don't know why), just to clean things up. I haven't had anybody attack me in the comments yet, so maybe when that happens, I will think differently. I did get an email from someone offering a critique of one of my hubs, which I thought was a bit odd but basically took with a grain of salt.
Now I need to check out the corn maze hub and see what all the fuss was about. : )
JamaGenee: I left HubPages to check out the nearby corn maze and pumpkin farm. Yes, I did. No, I did not go to repeat getting lost like the STOOPID people at the other corn maze. I did check the Internet about the term, "knocked up," but was waiting on your confirmation. I didn't really write anything all day yesterday, but it was a nice break. I can't hide from anyone. They find me. But I have taught people that I don't loan money or my things out. And our home is 960 square feet. They are welcome to stay on my sofa (the very few), but since my dogs will want attention and will be bugging them all night, they will learn to part with the bucks and get a room. $14.99 to certain sites on the Internet can be quite revealing about a person. The information is detailed. This is how people find me. When they do, all I can do is handle the situation. Years and distance is enough to keep people apart, but some people have to get the rosy feelings out of their heads that not everyone wants to be "blessed" with their presence. I let it known that I don't want them or need them in my home.
Deborah, unless I am working and at the mercy of some boss because I need the money, I don't write or change my writing because someone tells me to. I can take "experts" on the Internet when I'm reading or doing research, but I have no use for Hubbers who think they are "experts". I came across a Hub last week that was beautifully illustrated, and some Hubber with experience says, "If you want to make more money, you should put the story first before you illustrate it." Are you kidding me? Butt out! I left encouragement and comments, too, but I did not question her layout. She had done creepy Photo Shop Halloween photographs of herself, and I thought they were outstanding. She put the photographs first, but at the same time, they did grab your attention. As a writer, you have to go with your gut, but a comment like that was unnecessary from this old Hubber. Let the writer do as she wishes. Also this Hubber assumed this newbie was into it for strictly the money. Well, there are some of us who do HubPages to satisfy the creative side and nothing else. Have to look at all angles. Face it. I don't play nice when it comes to perfectionists and know-it-alls. They are insecure individuals, and I can spot them on HubPages long before I look at their profiles. Writing reveals a lot about a person. Throw in some comments that they write, and you have a pretty good picture.
That "knocked up" comment had me going. I would definitely be doing a double take if asked that question. LOL
k, no harm done. You can post anytime. I do welcome any of your comments. Hahahahahaha. It's all about me. I can come off as a "Mean Girl". Hahahahahahha. I stand 5'2", but I've been told that I can be quite intimidating. But, that's natural for me. I did have a nice long day in the country and had a wonderful Mexican dinner. Plopped on the sofa. It is the equivalent of someone having way too many drinks. Only you substitute some exercise and a good meal. Plop! Which is why I don't knit or do any crafts at night. I work away, but there are all kinds of mistakes the next morning. I think when you mentioned "Mean Girls," I couldn't think of the actresses who were in the movie. Too young for me. Lindsay Lohan would have been good if she could just stay out of trouble. I guess she has to settle for being a "Mean Girl" in real life.
I am so happy that no one asks me if I am going to have children. The questions quit coming when I was in my 40s. I am so happy that I have not experienced being "knocked up". I take that as an unwanted/unplanned pregnancy. I did have someone say she was "preggers," but I think she was unhappy about being pregnant at all. If had been a joyous occasion, wouldn't you use the proper word for it? Pregnancy? I will get the joke if I ever visit England. In America, there's still a chance I could be asked if I have any grandchildren. Can't win. Some people still think that all women should all have children. Or just simply breed and get over with it.
I have interest in having my own children.
Like your new profile pic. I like your style as you tell it as it is --no sugar-coating. As for those who feel that they have the rights to correct every minor detail, oh well, I always look at their intention. If they're out to show that they're better--who cares?--the reader will determine that. But if they are sincerely trying to help me, I take it and am reluctantly grateful. Again, enjoy your thought-provoking hub.
I never did, Flora. Being the first born, my parents dumped my siblings on me. My youngest brother is 12 years younger than me, so I felt like I raised him. My parents did me a favor, and I got to see all phases of a child growing up and the endless responsibilities a parent has to endure to turn that child into an adult who will be a good person and contribute to society. My brother turned out just fine. I don't know how people do it. I would not have the patience or energy. I would probably be Mommie Dearest without the beatings with the clothes hanger. I have no regrets. I enjoy my freedom. My shortage of cash would not help put one kid through a good college.
angin, I like your style, too. Thank you! You are as classy as your Hubs. I did run into that perfectionist, so after reading my response to him (or was it a her???), I couldn't help but laugh. I wrote something like, "By the way, check your spelling." Hahahahahahahaha. So, the joke's on me. Had to get nasty and get my dig in. No, I know myself too well. My mother was "Martha Stewart perfectionist," so I didn't even have to read the recent comments on her by her daughter, Alexis. I don't like perfectionists, know-it-alls or control freaks. I will run in the other direction. When I know the person is like that, I can't say I will stick around. It's like someone with 3-inch nails digging into a chalkboard. But, if it was someone I knew or have been communicating with, that's different. I have come to realize that these names on HubPages ARE important. If you have a silly pen name and try to get serious with me and correct my work or tell me how to be polite about my writing and not call stupid people stupid, I'm not listening. If you don't have a "real" name I can address you by like Bob, Patty or even a last name, then I'm falling out--laughing. I mean, is this person for real? Are they taking themselves seriously as writers or do they want to hide behind that silly pen name? I'm not going to bother from now on. Too busy laughing. If I feel I have to respond, it's going to be very short. I've learned from this corn maze and I can't see myself investing time in Mr. or Mrs. Bozo. As a rule, I do pride myself in picking my battles carefully. Not that dealing with these people is worth (or could be even called) a battle.
Hi Arlene, wow I glad I didn't read the hub that generated so much vitriol.
Which one was it by the way, just curious lol
I think you are absolutely right. You write your way, it's what you say that matters not how you say it.
Who cares about all rubbish. Look at Shakespeare, considered one of the greatest writers in the English language and he couldn't give a fiddlers toss about spelling punctuation or grammar.
In fact he used this to great effect. And don't even get me started on James Joyce. Or Stephen Hawking for that matter.(pun intended)
I have not used the deny button yet and don't intend too unless it is a link to something nasty.
Publish and be damned I say and to hell with the critics.
I don't see any statues to critics but I do see monuments to great writers.
Keep up the good work.
I remain your humble servant:-) Michael Mulcahy (molometer)
Thank you so much, Michael. I absolutely love hearing from you! I do feel that you should not be critical of a writer's work. To me, it would be like forcing someone who is left-handed to write with his right hand. The most wonderful thing about writers is that we are all different and have our own writing journeys. But, if some poor soul decides to tell me how to write, there go my claws, fangs and scorpion tail. I will tell this person to go away. Or worse--where to go. Depends on my mood. I do work for my most favorite person,and that's me. Thank you for your comments and insights. Always appreciate them!
Seems you've stirred up a lot of people. I started with a pen name thinking that was what you should do and as stated above, I am now stuck with it. Since I live in Tillson, NY, Tillsontitan isn't too far a stretch. I enjoyed your hub and all the comments!
Hi Arlene.....you go girl...I only encountered one person who criticized me on one of my hubs and I fired back. I haven't had any one correct me on my spelling or grammar errors yet but I don't think that would bug me. But who knows. Hope you are enjoying this weather and that things are well with you. Mary
Thank you! I do love hearing from your because I do recognize your name right away. Well, tillsontitan, this is certainly not the first time (or the last time) I've put my foot into it. Squish! Squish! But I do stand behind what I've said or written because my name is on my work. I cannot hide behind a pen name. Hahahahahaha. Oh, well. I don't mind people using pen names, but when I want to single a person out and give them a piece of my mind, I can't seriously say, "Now look, Crosseyed, I don't appreciate what you just said!" I could not help myself. After making my "point," I could not stop laughing. Same with Food4You, who left me a lecture on post-partum after I slammed that Massachuesetts couple who got lost in the cornfield and had to call 911. Those two were brand new Hubbers, trying to tell me how to write, and they left their how-to comments on my piece. The nerve. And this was my first go at something in the news that was considered timely. But, at the same time, did they even read what I had to say? You don't know with online folk. They could leave you a comment and disappear to do the dishes or mow the lawn. I don't mind people using pen names, but they should at least use something that can be taken seriously. Say, in an "argument" or trying to make a point online like I did with those two. Or something on a little serious subject like how I write. Goofy or cutesy names are cute on emails because your people know you. But to me, since I don't know you and why you chose such a goofy or cutesy name, I can't take you seriously. If you called yourself Bozo or Son or Daughter of Bozo, there is no way I could address you without laughing. "Now look, Bozo, blah, blah blah." By then, I am falling out on my living room floor, if you know what I mean. But look at it this way. I would like to use WhoopWhoopWhoop for my pen name. But if I wanted to give an editor the two standard clips to show off my writing, I can only imagine how that editor would react. "Hello, this is Arlene, and my two clips are published in HubPages under the pen name of WhoopWhoopWhoop." Say, if you had a real name OR a pen name with a first and last, it would be much easier to identify yourself to an editor. My last two clips I submitted to an editor got me an online job writing for 7 months. The clips were old, and I had to practically stand on my head to convince her that I could do the job. But with your name or a professional-sounding pen name, that's more than half the battle. If you want to remain on HubPages and just write for this site, it's okay. People will know you and bypass the cutesy name and will easily identify your writing style because they have been your fans and have been following you. But if you decide to branch out and do some professional writing, I would suggest using your real name or a pen name that sticks or one that people can remember. That is what you want. To be remembered and quickly identified by your reader. But I know it's tough because a lot of HubPages writers have established their work under that pen name and can't really cross over and start all over again with a different name. As much as I love WhoopWhoopWhoop, I seriously don't want to use it. Not even for HubPages. It may sound like an ego thing with me, and it is. When you have been writing most of your life, most likely, you have identified yourself and your writing by your real name. I am, in my past days as a reporter, received letters from my readers who did have first and last names. Yes, call me old school. I do get a kick out of being addressed as Arlene instead of WhoopWhoopWhoop. But that's an Arlene Thang. When you've been writing 20+ years like me, I don't care to have someone with three Hubs to their name telling me how to write. I'm not like a lot of new writers here. I know insecurity and inexperience in the writing when I see it, and I will slam anyone who goes after my writing because I find that so rude. Face it. I'm not the type of person who blows smoke up anyone's ass when I don't like the way they write. I refuse to be cruel, so I won't do it. I am not paid to critique or make anyone feel bad. I simply move on. As far as my writing is concerned, I've earned my day in the sun. I worked and was paid to write. In any field, I believe newbies should keep their mouths shut, observe others, and learn from those with experience. This is when I wished I was in the same room with these know-it-alls and perfectionists because I certainly don't mind confrontation. Yes, at 5'2," I can be pretty intimidating in person if you've pissed me off with your rudeness, but that's another Hub. I'm that Border collie nipping at your heels to remind you that all writers are different. The best you can do is support their journeys. Leave them to learn about writing on their own and don't kill their joy for writing because you have this selfish need to feel superior. There are Hubbers I won't follow because I don't consider their writing as professional. Their high scores or mass number followers mean nothing to me because I do see the work that is riddled with errors and the meaningless fluff subjects they follow. Pity these people when they try to to step out of their HubPages cocoon and try make it as professional writers. Aren't they in for a treat? Love your comments and insights. Thanks, again!
Mary, I love hearing from you. Yes, thank you! I am enjoying this wonderful Northern California weather. Unfortunately, I am the only house on the block with leaves to rake, so once that Delta Breeze kicks in, you know my neighbors are blaming me for my leaves in their yards. I do love to rake leaves and enjoy the fall colors. I do agree with you. I don't appreciate these online ninnies telling me how to write. The nerve. I prefer telling people how much I love, love, love their Hubs when I read them because their writing makes me feel alive and fuzzy all over. I do remember that wonderful Hub of yours when you lost $20 somewhere while you were out and about. I did identify with that. It was excellent! I did lose a bag of groceries at WINCO (I had five) during my senior moment. The manager was so nice to let me replace the items with no arguments. Did you know that Bag #5 was the expensive stuff with meat and dairy? He said it happens all of the time. Was it because I didn't dye my hair that month? But I am a fan of WINCO. I love hearing from you, and I do hope you are rolling around in the fallen leaves like I'm about to do now! Take care, my neighbor! And keep writing away!
God Bless You - I a s glad someone finally wrote this masterpiece.
Voted up and awesome
Thank you so much, manthy. And I do learn a lot from you since joining HubPages. You Da Man!!!
One time I was waiting in line at a bank, and the lady behind me fixed the tag on my shirt because it was sticking up. Then she told me that she always cut off her tags, and I should do that too. I am grateful when someone corrects something that is easily corrected. Why go around all day with a tag sticking out when it takes one person who notices to speak up.
I didn't however, cut off all the tags from my shirts because she told me to. I prefer to leave them on.
I haven't told anyone in a hub about their error(s), but sometimes when I see a well written hub with a minor problem, I often feel like I should let them know, in case they want to correct it. That's how we learn.
If you see my tag sticking out on my hub, please tell me.
Nicely written Millionaire tips and I agree a hundred per cent!
Thanks for your insights, Millionaire Tips. I was at a grocery store, and someone was poking my tag down my neck, too. I thought, "What is this???" She said she couldn't stand to see tags sticking out, so I guess her duty in life was to fix everyone's tags. I didn't mind it, but it sure felt strange to be standing in line and having someone's fingers poking down my neck and into my back. Sure, there are times when I would want to get my red Sharpie out and correct the spelling errors staring at me. But I feel that's not my call. I do struggle with my own work because I was spoiled on having copywriters and editors. As a stranger to these people, I don't know which ones have the fragile egos. I refuse to correct anyone's Hubs, nor do I wish to have someone email me or comment on my Hubs that "fixing". Let me find them myself. Let me fall flat on my face because I know I'm getting up. I read my Hubs over and over again, and that's all I can do. I am not in the copywriting or editing business, so I leave other Hubbers' writing alone. Now, if they were paying me for these services, that's a different story. But when I get my red Sharpie out, I have no mercy. It's the spelling that gets my attention because the errors stand out, and it shows you are really careless about your writing. There are dictionaries and spell checks to help you out, but I guess a lot of these writers think their writing is bulletproof. They think they get it right the first time out.
tillsontitan: I continue to read Hubs and Hop Hubs every night for relaxation. I have now hit Level 7 commentator status, but so far, so good. I have not notified any Hubber of their errors, but I will flag the Hubs if they don't have the G-rating needed for this site. My corrections would only be temporary if I offered advice. It's not that these people will be writers overnight. Sadly, a lot of these new Hubbers won't stay once they find out they won't be making wads of cash. And, a lot of them look like they fell asleep during English 101. I prefer to let them find their own way. If that's at all possible. I don't feel responsible for their writing skills.
Hello Arlene,
Your comments are always positive and uplifting. I am always very happy when you pop over to my little corner of the hubiverse and leave me a message.
Great hub this and recommended reading for everyone new to hubpages and maybe some not so new.
Keep the faith... Michael
Hey, Michael, you've been very busy haven't you? I need to keep up with your writing, but I usually hit the Hubs and Hub Hopping at the end of the day when everyone at my home is asleep. Of course, consider me a fan. I am always grateful for your comments and insights. Yes, I am still dancing away. Love that Hub of yours! When I am driving, I'm jerking my head to the music. Silly girl! But with everyone going to work and already looking stressed out, I'm going in the other direction. As long as I have Ethanol in my tank, I'm chasing after those retirement adventures. Unstoppable!
Well, here we go...
I've been meaning to come to your part of the town and read your writings for some time now, but you know how it is - I always forget. Today I didn't forget, and I can say that I am very glad I didn't. The first time I saw you was in one of the hubs written by our mutual friend Thomas, and I liked your comments right away. Today when I came to your profile, I noticed that you are really a Hubber extraordinaire and definitely worth reading and following.
Now, let's get down to business... I know what you are talking about and I also hate when people with "good intentions" start acting all "I know everything, you know nothing". I had a Hubber contact me saying that I should write in a completely different way, because I am using too many words to get to my point. Although I replied and wanted to hear what he had to say, I never changed my writing style because of what he said...
Anyway, it is sometimes obvious that I use too many words......I do it because I am being honest and trying to leave good comments/write interesting and engaging hubs... AT least I think so :)
As I said, you have got yourself a new follower, and I am glad to be able to browse through your hubs and find a lot of interesting things to read :)
Hi, nemanja! Thank you for your comments. I would not change your writing because your writing is YOU. It is your style. It is your brand. When I talk or write, I tend to take the "scenic route." I was told that I "write "novels' for comments. But I do it, anyway. Online and in real life, I love, love, love to talk. Hubbers are a grab bag of people who may have been professionally published or not. Or, they will fake it. But if you have ever been in the company of writers, believe me. You will find that a lot of them can't even write themselves out of a paper back. Of course, they will know everything. Yes, they will pump themselves up and pretend to be experts. The Forum, for instance, reminds me of being in a roomful of writers. Or a writers' group meeting. But anytime a Hubber gives you "good intentions" and tells you how to write, ignore it. When you are dealing with online "people" who come out of nowhere, you are dealing with the unknown. People can be anything they want to be. It's not that you would count them as close, personal friends.
Arlene, as one who regularly takes the long way around from Point A to Point Z via Point M and back to Point F, I see absolutely NOTHING wrong with being wordy. Besides, it drives telemarketers and survey-takers nuts! tee hee
As for the know-it-alls who think they're experts at writing, unless I've specifically asked for their advice, the minute I hear an unsolicited "You should...", I'm gone!
JamaGenee, I have not been called on for my HubPages writing except for this minor thing which appeared in one of my contest entries. Unless I am paid to be someone's editor or copywriter, I will not correct someone's writing because as you know, each writer has a style all their own. I'm no editor, and I have a hard enough time hacking my work for publication. When I first started HubPages, I was shocked to find that people don't mind getting their writing edited by strangers. They actually welcomed these unknowns and their opinions. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Hello? Hello? What kind of writer are you to take in suggestions from strangers? Anyway, thank you for your book suggestions. I am on my way to B&N to pick up one of the books. The guy who was helping me said that he liked the idea of people reading books from the Women's Studies section. At least, the ones that don't have to read books to satisfy requirements for a class. I'm looking forward to a good read. Thanks for your suggestions!
"Women's Studies" section, huh? Yes, I suppose bookshops have to call it that (or something similar), but it's still rather sexist and a perfect example of why books like the one I recommended by Gail Collins HAD to be written in the first place. On the other hand, I have to be glad cookbooks aren't in the same section! ;D
I think I had a Women's Studies class in college. 1980. The only thing I remember was getting in a circle to talk. And there was Meg with her 4-inch long red fingernails and poofy hair. She always introduced herself as working for the local Wonder Bread bakery. "The poisoners of America," she would say. I am glad I asked the clerk about the book, though. I was circling the store several times because I didn't know where to start looking. I didn't know there was a "Women's Studies" section at B&N. Yes, that is kinda odd. It's like women are from another planet. Still.
Ah, yes, the Women's Studies "classes" in the '80s. What fun...not. Nobody knew quite what to make of them. Were they fostering true enlightenment for the still-pathetic plight of women...OR just a chance for female students to gripe for an hour or so and earn a few credits in the process?
As for where to find a particular book in a book store, it helps to have some knowledge of Ye Olde Dewey Decimal System used in libraries. Chain bookshops, though, don't always stock what one thinks would be a "popular title, so I usually save the shoe leather and my few remaining working brain cells and go straight from the front door to the Help Desk. I know... That's the lazy way to do it, but it's my experience whoever is behind the counter practically jumps for joy when a customer asks for an "obscure" title instead of "Where's the loo?" or "Why doesn't this sleazy bodice-ripper come in hardback?". ;D
I was lucky I showed up for class. I don't do well when it comes to being in groups of women. Not even now. I hope, by the time I'm in my 70s, I'm not doing the petty "leadership" and cat fights I've seen with women. From what I've seen, women don't get along or agree on anything. Or maybe I've spent too much time working with men.
To Arlene: Your premise is an excellent one. Comments regarding hubs should be intelligent and civil to say the least. However, there are those individuals who elect to write somewhat vitiolic comments. Some even regress to mudslinging- well, that is quite uncalled for. My point: if you have nothing positive to say, then DON'T say it and move on. Making positive comments is a form of etiquette and polite behavior; doing otherwise is a sign of poor manners and is totally declasse.
Thank you, GM! There you go! I wish more people would think like you. I pop into the Forum for Simone's Hub writing suggestions, and that's about it. Online, you don't know these people in real life, and to argue or to throw insults online is a waste of time for me. Other than a handful of people that I truly like, and whose work I admire, I can ignore the rest who show nothing but rudeness or so-so work. I don't look at HubPages as some popularity contest or social site, but I notice some people do. Which is fine because I don't get sucked into it. I am all right with an outburst or two, but if it turns into a pattern, I simply punch that hide key when I see the ongoing noise. Nothing says that you have to deal with online rudeness. Online, people can pretend all they want. In real life, for all I know, they are cowards hiding behind their laptops and computers. I don't care for the negativity, so I don't feed it. Negativity takes away from creativity. I just move on.
I like your attitude - there is nothing wrong with a positive attitude or sharing a kind word. Some discussions are like the kids in the back yard - no thought or respect.
Thank you
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I recently deleted a comment someone left on one of my hubs because of the extremely foul and hateful language in it. Only the 3rd or 4th time I've done so in almost 4 years at HP. Rather than have the person post another, even filthier and more hateful comment on finding the first one deleted, I posted one saying I'd deleted the first **because of** the hateful expletives, but added that she made some great points.
Usually that's the end of it, so I was quite surprised when she left another comment making the same points as the first, but sans the filthy, hateful language. That one I didn't delete. A win-win for all.
Hi, quester.ltd. Thank you for your comments and insights. You have to be kind when you're on HubPages. I've seen plenty of rude comments. If the same people exhibit the same negative behavior time after time, it shows they will not change. But you have to do what you have to do for your own sanity. Ignore them and don't get sucked into their negativity!
What patience, JamaGenee! I don't know why anyone would send you any hateful messages, but you handled it well. I haven't had any so far. Just a thing about shoes on sale. I was new to HubPages, so I didn't know how to report it or delete it. It's still in the comment section.
ThoughtSandwiches Level 7 Commenter 7 months ago
Hi Arlene...
So in the third paragraph, second sentence...you forgot...lol. Simply funning with you my friend.
I remember the comments you are speaking about...that's when we met and I started following my snarky friend from over the hill...ain't regretted a step of that follow by the way.
That said...ThoughtSandwiches is the alter-ego...of my alter-ego (silent partner kind of thing...)
I always like your style my friend! Voted all the Ups of course...